Nancy: Well, Mary, today we come to what I think is one of the most foundational elements of biblical womanhood, and the more we've talked about this, the more we've just said it all comes back to this.

But let's just back up again and say what the context is here.

We're in the book of Titus, and Paul the apostle is writing to Titus, who's a pastor of a church on the Island of Crete with many similarities to the culture in which we live today. And in the first chapter, he says, "If the church is going to make a difference in the world, if the church is going to survive the onslaught of paganism and secularism, immorality and false teaching, and if the church is going to be a light in the dark work, then first they have to have leaders who are biblically qualified. They're sound in doctrine. They know how to model good behavior and right doctrine, holy living, and they know how to teach it, and they know how to correct it when it gets wrong.

Mary Kassian: And then in the second chapter, he picks it up from there and makes it a little more personal to everyone and addresses various groups, telling the various groups in terms of their behavior what all believers should act like and what Christianity should look like to a pagan world because there's a lot at stake. Because of the way that we live, the way that …