The Personal Devotional Life, with Dámaris Carbaugh

Dannah Gresh: According to Dámaris Carbaugh, who you become depends on who and what you love.

Dámaris Carbaugh: What you need more than anything else, if you want to have victory in your life, if you want to know Jesus Christ really well, if you want to please Him . . . you will never be able to do that unless you become a person that loves the Word of God.

Dannah: This is Revive Our Hearts with Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth, co-author of Seeking Him, for Friday, October 3, 2025. I'm Dannah Gresh.

So Nancy, I want to put you on the spot for just a moment, if I can.

Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth: Hmm . . . okay. 

Dannah: Okay, you trust me. Have you read your Bible today?

Nancy: In fact, I have. I had the sweetest time in the book of Micah. These are some hard passages I'm in right now. The Old Testament, those prophetic books. Sometimes it's like, what is this really saying? What does it really mean?

Taking the time to reflect on it, to read it prayerfully and thoughtfully, to write down what it says and means is a great exercise, but it's also been so fruitful and enjoyable. I love it.

Dannah: So it all matters . . . even those hard passages. 

My husband has been trying to read through the Bible in ninety days just because he said that he had never done it quickly. He wants an overview of everything and how it fits together. He says that if you read the Bible in ninety days, it takes like seventy-something to get through the Old Testament. There's a lot of Old Testament and a lot of hard passages in there.

Nancy: I think sometimes we focus on the ones that are like dessert. They're easy to digest, desirable, and fun. But we need all of them. A lot of Christians have never read through the whole Bible. That's a great challenge—whether you do it at a slower pace like I'm doing right now or at a faster pace the way Bob is. We need it all.

Dannah: We need it all. Sometimes we need it a verse at a time, sometimes we need a big chunk at a time. But we are talking about the importance of having a daily time in the Word of God and talking to God about what you've read.

Nancy: That is crucial —not just that we need it all, that we need the Word, but that we need it every day. There are different ways to take that in. Sometimes you might listen to Scripture  on a favorite Bible app, or you might read it yourself. There are different ways . . . but every day. You need food every day, and you need spiritual food every day.

Dannah: That's a beautiful analogy. So all this week, if you've missed some of them, go back and get those programs or read the transcripts at ReviveOurHearts.com, because we want to help you push reset on your love of the Word. In fact, I believe today is really going to do that in a powerful way.

Nancy: Today, our friend Dámaris Carbaugh is going to continue encouraging us. This is a life message for Dámaris. For as long as I've know her, which has been many years, Dámaris has been a woman of the Word. You're going to hear that as soon as you hear from her.

If I could summarize her life, maybe what would be on her tombstone someday, I'd say: read the Bible! She does, and it has changed her life.

Just yesterday, someone was telling me how her message at Revive '19 was such a highlight for this particular woman and many of her friends. So I'm so glad we are able to air it this week.

Dannah: Me, too, Nancy.  Dámaris is a singer. She and her husband, Rod, live in Brooklyn, New York. They were both with us for that conference, the theme of which was “Seeking Him,” based on a Bible study written by you and Tim Grissom. Let's listen in. Here’s Dámaris.

Dámaris: If you could lose weight crying, I’ve lost like thirty pounds this weekend! (laughter) This morning when I was trying to put a little eyeliner on, I noticed my eyelids were swollen because I have cried so much. And I cry easily, all the time.

One of the funniest things that ever happened is that . . . I cry so much—and over everything and anything . . . one time I’m in my bedroom, and I’m crying and crying, and my son walks in (he’s about fifteen). He walked in with two ties because he wanted to ask me which one. I’m like, “boo-hoo-hoo.”

He sees me crying and he goes, “Which one, Mom, this one or this one?” It didn’t move him at all that I was crying! I just cry. And just because you cry a lot doesn’t mean you're spiritual; you’re just dramatic! (laughter)

One of the most precious people God has ever given me the privilege to meet is Nancy! Just hear me out here. She knows I’m not trying to elevate her in any way. But this is a woman whom I feel has wanted to seek God ever since she was a little girl. And she doesn’t cry very often . . . and I cry all the time! 

Nancy has given me the privilege and the task of speaking to you about the last chapter of Seeking Him.

What a wonderful title: Seeking Him! Do you know that we all know how to seek. Nobody has to teach you how to seek. Last night, there was a little one-year-old, and she was over there just walking like she was ready to come up the stairs . . . because that’s what she wanted!

She was seeking the stairs, and nobody had to teach her. Nobody went up to her and said, “Little girl, this is what you do when you want to go up the stairs.” There’s something in you—you know how to go after what you want to go after. And may God help us and show us that He’s the One we need to seek. Amen? 

The last chapter in the Seeking Him Bible study is called “The Personal Devotional Life.” It’s a beautiful guide to help you get started if that’s something you have a problem with.

If you think you’re going to get a formula from me, if you think you’re going to hear me say, “When I get up every morning at five . . .” If I’m up at five o’clock, it’s because I haven’t been to bed yet! (laughter) It’s just the way I am!

But the personal devotional life . . . When I was given this task, I wrote a little summary. I want to read it to you, and then I’ll tell you what’s on my heart. I pray that my time with you will shed some light on the importance of having a personal devotional life.

There’s that word: it’s “personal.” The Holy Spirit is a Person, Jesus is a Person, the Father is a Person. I love the hymn: “Holy, holy, holy, God in three Persons, blessed Trinity.” It is a personal devotional life. I want God to help us see what that personal devotional life ought to produce in you and me.

Nancy writes (and this is such a wonderful sentence!): “Above all, it is through the written Word—illuminated by the Spirit of God—that we come to know Christ, the Living Word, in a deep and personal way.” 

God made us in His image. We know that. He made us persons with a mind, emotions, and a will. And by this we can say that God, too, is a Person. God has a mind. God has emotions. And God most definitely has a will. 

I was reading in Jeremiah (I have to interrupt myself; I’m the only person I know that interrupts herself!) I was reading Jeremiah 2. You talk about God having emotions?

God says through the prophet Jeremiah, “What did your ancestors find wrong with Me, that they abandoned Me?!” Talk about emotions! Our God has emotions, and He most definitely has a will. And you know what God wants? He wants us to know Him! Can you say “amen”?

Jesus said in His prayer in John 17:3, “And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” His written Word will show you who He is . . . the great I AM in Exodus. His written Word will show you what He has done. He’s the Creator of everything! This is beautifully said in many places, but I'm thinking of  Colossians 1:16.

His written Word will show you what His will for you is. And you know what? More than anything I feel it's to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength (see Matt. 22:37, 39). And the next one we don’t like that much: “. . . and your neighbor as yourself.” (laughter) You get those two, and you’re doing pretty good!

God’s Spirit is the only way we can truly know Him. The apostle Paul writes of his ministry in 2 Corinthians 3:6. He says, “God, who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.” 

It’s not just the Word, the written Word—in the sense of it’s not just these—this word and that word. Is this that word? Is that word that we read coming to life by the power of the Spirit? You see, the Pharisees were very aware of what the written Law said, yet they rejected the Son of God!

 

In Mark 7:6, Jesus says to them: “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, ‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.’” It is important to remind ourselves that we are still very capable of being like those Pharisees. Please understand that the minute you become a Christian, you are very prone to become a Pharisee!

You would never say it like that, but you kind of think, “I got this!” Be very careful! And when Jesus says things to them that bother Him, please open your heart and say, “Lord, do I bother You like that? Do I bother You?” 

It’s important to remind ourselves that we’re still very capable of being like those Pharisees if our devotional life becomes a dry, routine, going-through-the-motions kind of exercise. It’s impossible to emphasize this enough—that we cannot know Christ unless the Spirit illuminates the Living Word, which is Jesus Christ, to us.

When the Spirit of truth comes, Jesus said in John 16:13 that He will guide you into all truth. When I look at that verse, I rejoice. I become so happy! Jesus promised to send the Spirit, and Jesus kept His promise! We know the Spirit wants to guide all of us into all truth! Can you say “amen”!?

Remember, the Spirit is the Helper who will tell us what He has heard from the Father, from the Son. God wants us to seek Him! The story of Mary and Martha . . . we love that story, don’t we? I remember one Bible teacher saying that we talk about Martha and how she didn’t really have the heart like Mary.

“But,” she said, “if I ever want to go to somebody’s house, I want to go to Martha’s house!” (laughter) Because she cared. The truth is, she really did care. But what I want you to see here is, I’m so grateful for the way that Jesus told Martha that the stress of trying to do everything right (have you been there?) was keeping her from choosing what Mary chose.

Jesus clearly called what Mary did “good.” And what exactly was Mary doing? Nothing! . . . as far as Martha was concerned! Isn’t that the truth? But Jesus said that what Mary had chosen would not be taken away from her. When you decide to seek Him, He will not let anything or anyone take that away from you! Isn’t that sweet?

But the million-dollar question is, "Do you want what Mary chose?" Let’s take a closer look at what Mary did. She didn’t take out her journal and Bible because, well, there were the Scriptures. Whenever you hear the word “Scriptures” in the New Testament, it refers to the Old Testament, because the New Testament hadn’t been written yet.

But she didn’t take out a journal (and I am not criticizing you if you journal and you journal a lot). I have a journal. I’ve had it for two years and it’s half-full. (laughter) So once in a while I write in it, but that's just not what I do. She didn’t do that. Listen to what she wanted: she wanted to listen to everything Jesus had to say. 

She wanted to hear what He had done. She wanted to know what was on His heart and mind. She wanted Jesus! 

Now, let me ask you something. Do you think she didn’t care if He ate? Do you think she didn’t care if He was tired and needed refreshment? Do you think Jesus would have rewarded laziness on Mary’s part? Do you think Mary was actually sitting there looking spiritual, but inside was going, “I don’t want to do anything!” 

Nobody’s wiser than Jesus. Jesus knew her heart. She wasn’t trying to get out of work. She was lost in who Jesus was! Do you get lost thinking about Him? Jesus longs for those whose hearts are completely captivated. Does He captivate you by who He is and by His beauty? 

The memory verse for this chapter of Seeking Him is Psalm 27:4:

One thing have I asked of the Lord,
that will I seek after:
that I may dwell in the house of the Lord all the days of my life,
to gaze upon the beauty of the Lord
and to inquire in his temple.

And then these verses came to mind. Luke 11: “So I tell you, keep on asking and you will receive what you ask for” (v. 9, paraphrased). Even if what you need to ask this afternoon is, “You know what, Lord? I may not admit this to anybody else, but You know if I’m seeking You. I don’t even want to seek You. I might say I do, but I don’t want to. But God, I’m asking you—it says ask—to get a hold of my heart and give me a heart that seeks You!” 

Keep on seeking and you will find, keep on knocking and the door will be opened to you, for everyone who asks receives, everyone who seeks finds and everyone who knocks, the door will be opened.

You fathers, if your children ask for a fish, do you give them a snake instead? Or if they ask for an egg do you give them a scorpion? Of course not! So if you sinful people know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the gift of the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him? (Luke 11:9–13,  paraphrased)

Do you know that one of the first times I read that, I remember thinking, This verse says seek, knock, and ask, but I forget that the last thing it says is, "How much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him." When was the last time you said, “Holy Spirit, I need You?”

We’re usually asking for this and that—all good things. We want wayward children to come back to the Lord, don’t you? But not often am I just saying, “Holy Spirit, just give me everything I need to walk. (What’s walking? Living!) I want to live in a way that pleases You.”

What does your devotion to Jesus look like? It says “a personal devotional life.” That devotion—completely “devoted” to Jesus. Do you feel defeated in this area of personal devotion to Him? 

• Is reading the Bible a chore to you? 
• Is prayer something you tend to put off unless there’s a crisis? 
• Is being in His presence a joy? 
• Do you yearn for His presence?

Jesus knows the answer to every one of these questions. He knows those of you who don’t really want Him that much. The good news is, He still invites you to seek Him. Even if you don’t want to, you need to. You know that, so seek Him! I promise you (like we kept repeating) you will find Him.

In John 5:39–40 (and pay attention to this verse!), Jesus told the Pharisees. 

You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. 

I believe sometimes we commit the same error. We go to the Scriptures like, “Okay, I read. Check. I answered that question. Check.” Meanwhile, the purpose of the Scriptures is to take us to Jesus. That’s what Jesus said. “They point to Me, and you won’t come to Me.” How many times have we come to the Scriptures but have not come to Him? The Bible was written to reveal to us who God is.

May we heed the advice Jesus gave the Pharisees, and may we come to Him. God also said something very interesting. I was talking to Dannah. We were talking about the talk, and so I was saying, “Dannah, you know something that has hit me is 1 Corinthians 8:3." It says this, 

But if anyone loves God, he is known by God. 

It’s like God is saying, “I know that person.” Now, when I read that I thought, Well, God knows everybody. But I feel like this verse is saying those that really, really, really love Him, it’s like He says, “Oh, I know her!” I feel even when I read that, that He wants you to make yourself known to Him.

Remember when your child was little and they were telling you a story in the cutest way? And you knew all about it. Like, you knew exactly what they were talking about. But it was so cute the way they spoke to you and the way they talked to you and the way they said it that you just get joy in listening to them tell you whatever it is they’re telling you.

Are you with me? Do you know what I mean? But that child is, in a way, showing you how they are, the way they speak, the way they breathe, the way they say it. My son couldn’t say his “th’s.” I would, on purpose, want him to say words so that I could hear his “Jonafan.” There was a waitress in a diner that we go to whose name was Kathy. And he would go, “Hi, Kafy!” (laughter)

And she would go, “Ooh, say it again!” And he was like two or something. He didn’t understand. “Kafy.” I’m not really being silly, but I just feel like even when you say, “Oh, Lord, I love You. I need you. I’m pitiful. I’m telling You the truth!” I feel like the Lord goes, “Come here, honey, come here. Talk to me some more.”

Do you not know that He wants you? He wants you! Do you believe that? Can you believe that? He wants us! He wants you to come to Him with everything. First of all, He knows it, so why are you hiding? It’s like, I don’t know, sometimes we just get phony, even with God who knows it all!

The Word of God is so important because the Holy Spirit uses it to illumine your mind. 

But I think of people that loved God and walked with God. Don’t you read biographies of people that had an amazing walk with God and become jealous in a good way? You know who makes me jealous? Enoch. What is up with Enoch? “Oh, he journaled!” There wasn’t even a Bible! (laughter)

 

But we’ve been talking about the importance of the Bible. When I was telling this to my husband, I was saying, “The Bible is the only thing that will start showing you how far you are and how near you need to be. The Bible is the only way that you’ll understand how your mind is off, how your mind needs to be renewed. The Bible is what tells us that there is a Holy Spirit, that there’s a Father. The Bible tells us all these things.” 

And then I’m telling my husband, “And Enoch didn’t even have a Bible!” 

And so my husband says, “Well, what are you trying to say?” 

And I’m like, “What am I trying to say?”

You see, of all the speakers, I’m the one abnormally born! (laughter) But let me tell you what I mean: it’s the Bible that tells us about Enoch. Enoch walked in such close fellowship that God took him! God took him. [deep sigh] Oh, my goodness, what did he do? I have no idea! I’m serious. There was no synagogue. What did he do?

Well, the Bible tells us in the New Testament that he actually prophesied about the judgment that was coming (see Jude 1:14). So there was a little fire in him, too. “He’s coming to judge!” Oh, my word. But there must have been something about him. There must have been something about this man that loved God in such a way that God said, “Come on!”

It’s the Word of God that has given me a desire to know: what in the world was Enoch like? It’s the Word of God. Here’s a verse that I want to point you to: Hebrews 4:12. Here’s the verse (some of you know this well): “For the word of God is alive and powerful.” Before I even finish, your personal devotional life totally depends on you being able to spend time with His Word—a lot! I want to say every day. But I will tell you, there are some Sundays that I get up early and get ready for church, there's choir rehearsal, church happens. We read the Scriptures on the PowerPoint, and we open up our Bibles in the service. But there are times when Sunday is actually a day I may not read the way I normally read. 

But what you need more than anything else, if you want to have victory in your life, if you want to know Jesus Christ really well, if you want to please Him . . . you will never be able to do that unless you become a person that loves the Word of God! Because look what the Word of God does:

It is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. [Now listen carefully here.] It exposes [don’t miss this!] our innermost thoughts and desires. (Heb. 4:12)

Don’t miss that! It exposes your thoughts and desires. Sometimes the greatest revelation you need is to understand the condition of your heart! Can you say “amen”? Your thoughts, your desires—He knows them! And when you’re ready to let Christ, the Spirit of truth, expose your truth, you come to Him, holding nothing back. He will receive you, and He will give you all that you need to be completely devoted to Him!

The Word of God healed me many years ago. I was insanely jealous! “Insanely” is putting it mildly! I was just married and my husband worked for a Christian television network. Everybody that worked in that place looked like they were ready for primetime! Do you know what that means? They all looked beautiful! All the ladies there looked beautiful to me, and I was very insecure. I got very jealous, and if you were pretty, I did not like you! 

I want to tell you something. It got so bad. My mind got so crazy that I scared myself, and I took myself to a Christian biblical counselor. I sat down, and I told her that I was very jealous and that my husband couldn’t look at anything too long. If he looked at this microphone here: “She’s little! She’s just hiding in there!” That’s how I felt!

I mean just, “What’s he . . .?” It was unbelievable! I would have dreams that my husband was unfaithful to me, and I’d wake up from the dream and go, “Gr-r-r-r-r!” Crazy! So I went to see this counselor, and I sit down and I tell her everything. I talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. And when I was done, she said, “Are you done?” 

And I said, “Um, I think so.” 

Do you know what she very sweetly said (I always want to repeat this, because she didn’t say it with a mean spirit)? Do you know what the first words out of her mouth were? “Dámaris . . .” (That’s my name, by the way, Dámaris—not Demetrius, not Dionysius the Areopagite. It’s Dámaris.)

She said, “Dámaris, I rebuke you!” In Spanish it’s, “¡Yo te reprendo!” (laughter) Oh my goodness! But she said it in such a sober way. I don’t know how to tell you this. Only God can “hit” you with love! 

She said to me, “It is obvious you are not a woman of the Word.” And I wasn’t.

And she said, “Here’s what I’m going to tell you to do: you and your husband are going to start reading the Bible together. You choose how much, how little. You choose what.” She didn’t even give us where to go. “You two decide. Sit down, start reading the Bible together, and your husband will close in prayer.” 

God healed my mind as I began to “eat” the Word of God! (applause)

Do you want to have a wonderful, personal devotional life? You need to love His Word. And you need to let His Word show you what’s wrong.

God’s Word is still changing me . . . and it’s still changing you. It’s showing us every day to seek Him. Pray with me.

Heavenly Father, You are real! You sent Jesus. Jesus, You are real! And You promised us the Holy Spirit. And Holy Spirit, You are real, and Your Word truly is powerful! It does expose our thoughts—how wrong we are, how far we are, how confused we are, how in error we are! 

And yet, Your Word also tells us that You can straighten us out, that You can heal our minds, that You can save our souls, that You can wash our sins, that You can give us “joy unspeakable and full of glory” (1 Peter 1:8 KJV). 

It’s Your Word. Thank You for Your Word. Teach all of us to have a real, personal relationship with You every single day! In Jesus’ name I pray, amen. 

Dannah: That’s our friend, Dámaris Carbaugh. Nancy, isn't she passionate about the Word of God?

Nancy: Yes! I just love her heart. Any time I get around Dámaris, I want to love Jesus more. I want to be more in His Word. I'm encouraged and challenged and inspired. I hope that has happened to you as you've listened today. What one thing can I do today to grow in that personal relationship with Jesus and with His Word, as Damáris has been challenging us?

Dannah: Absolutely. You know, your first book A Place of Quiet Rest has also encouraged me to soak in Scripture over the years. It’s such a beautiful invitation to prioritize time with Jesus and be refreshed. That’s why I’m excited to offer the brand-new 25th anniversary edition to every listener who donates any amount this month. To give, visit ReviveOurHearts.com or call us at 1-800-569-5959. Be sure to request A Place of Quiet Rest when you do.

Now, don’t forget, “Quiet Rest: A 30-Day Bible Reading Challenge” kicks off on Monday! When you sign up, you’ll receive thirty days of Bible study inspiration straight to your inbox. The goal is to get into a rhythm of daily study together. That way, when our year-long Bible reading challenge rolls around in January, we’ll be ready to go. You can sign up for the Quiet Rest challenge at ReviveOurHearts.com/challenges.

Also on Monday, we’ll be talking about intimacy with God right here on Revive Our Hearts. I hope you’ll come back and join us.

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