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Deborah - Week 3: Unexpected Warriors

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Laura Booz: I live out in the country, where the corn grows as high as an elephant’s eye! Unless, of course, the raccoons have gotten to it. Racoons can take out a patch of sweet corn in no time flat! Well, my neighbor Betty won’t stand for it, because you don’t mess with Betty’s sweet corn!

One of my simple pleasures in life is sitting back and watching Betty go to war against those raccoons! She brings out her greatest weapons (and you’re never going to guess what they are). 

First, she puts out a radio in the middle of that sweet corn patch and she blasts country music all night long! Then she goes to the kitchen and she grinds up some jalapeno peppers, garlic, vinegar and she spritzes it all around that sweet corn patch. Finally, when her husband comes in from mowing the lawn on a hot summer day, he hands over his stinky undershirt to Betty and she sticks it in the ground with an “Mmmph!”—because if nothing else scared those raccoons away, this sure would!

With the help of these unlikely instruments, Betty wins that war against those raccoons summer after summer, and she reaps a harvest of sweet corn! 

Hi! I’m Laura Booz. Welcome to the Women of the Bible podcast.

In this season, my friend Erin Davis is leading us in a study about Deborah, an unlikely instrument in God’s battle plan against a fearsome enemy. The Bible is full of stories of unlikely heroes: a stuttering nomad led God’s people out of slavery, a young man with a slingshot took down an intimidating giant, and a humble Savior went to war with sin and death so that we could be saved!

Judges 4 and 5 read like a who’s who of unexpected warriors, from Deborah to Barak to Jael. None of these look like conquering heroes, not from a human perspective . . . but God always has a different plan in mind. C’mon, let’s join Erin, open to the book of Judges and explore this topic further.

Erin Davis: I want to know, what kind of weakness makes you the most frustrated? I’ll go first; mine is physical. It makes me crazy that I have physical weakness—that I have to sleep, that I have chronic things in my body that I can’t seem to get over. That makes me crazy! It’s so frustrating to me!

Staci, I know you’ve got weaknesses; we all do. Which ones are the most frustrating to you?

Staci Rudolph: Mine is my emotional state. If I’m embarrassed, I cry. If I’m frustrated, I cry. And then, I’m mad at myself for crying. So it’s definitely that.

Erin: You know women, when we cry, we all say the same thing: (sobbing) “I’m so sorry!” (laughter)

Staci: Yes, literally every time! It does not matter! 

Erin: Yeah, okay, I might change my answer. I’m also very frustrated by my emotional weakness. Do you have something to add, Laura?

Laura: No, I agree with you both. Sometimes I get frustrated that I’m so sensitive—so that might be a little variant here. Little things can hurt me, and I have to just deal with it. I know by now it’s not everybody else in the world. 

Erin: Right, “It’s me.”

Staci: It’s you.

Erin: Well, the heroes whose photos would hang on our “Hall of Faith,” if we had one, they are a bunch of weak rascals. That is what they are! They probably are frustrated by their weaknesses. And you know, that is not true in any other context.

You’ve got sports Hall of Fame; they’re strong and accomplished. You hang photos in a corporate context, it’s usually the go-getters, the ones that bring in the most money, the richest. The music Hall of Fame, they sell the most albums. You don’t get in the Hall of Fame for selling five albums, or whatever it would be, right?

But here, Christians, the weak ones, they’re the ones we celebrate. We’re going to talk a little bit about that in this episode. I hope this is not your first time joining us, but if it is, welcome to the Women of the Bible podcast.I want the two of you to introduce yourselves.

I could introduce you, but we have a limited amount of time, and I would just go on and on and on about how much I love you! So I’ll let you introduce yourselves.

Laura: My name is Laura Booz, and I am married to Ryan. Ryan and I have six children, and I homeschool them. So that’s like the lion’s share of my focus and energy and attention.

Erin: None of that exposes any weakness! (laughter)

Laura: Yes, it does! Yes, it’s a hard job, but I love it! God has allowed in this past year, has opened the door for me to write a book, which I’m so excited about! It’s called Expect Something Beautiful: Finding God’s Good Gifts in Motherhood.

Erin: Did you discover any weakness while writing a book?

Laura: Oh, yes.

Erin: Yeah, I’m just going to keep bringing us back to that theme! (laughter)

Laura: Yes, and He also opened the door for me to do a podcast, which is called Expect Something Beautiful.

Erin: Which we love! It is part of the Revive Our Hearts podcast family. 

Laura: In it I tell stories about my weakness and God’s strength.

Erin: I think you are the fun, wise, big sister of the podcast family. You’re the one that I want to listen to . . . all the time! Alright, Staci, what do we need to know about you?

Staci: I’m Staci Rudolph. I’m a lead teacher with True Girl. I just really love diving into God’s Word, and more importantly, I love getting girls into God’s Word. I feel like we don’t give our tweens enough credit when it comes to studying the Bible and diving into it.

Erin: They can do it!

Staci: They can! So that’s what I’m all about; that’s where my heart is.

Erin: You’re also part of the Revive Our Hearts podcast family. You’re like the fun, wise, younger sister.

Staci: Yes, that’s right!

Erin: Tell us about that podcast.

Staci: We’re definitely starting something just for tweens, to have that conversation with Mom on the way home from school, on the way to the grocery store. It’s just something that’s short enough for them to be able to sit through it, to listen to it, but to dig deep into God’s truth together.

Erin: All the deep spiritual conversations at my house happen in the car.

Staci: I’m sayin’, right?

Erin: So I think you’re onto something! Well, we’re now part way through this season of the Women of the Bible podcast. We’re focusing on Deborah, and in case somebody is popping in part way here, I want to catch her up.

So, quick refresher: Deborah’s story is found in the book of Judges. God’s people had rebelled, they were worshipping idols, and God gave them over to the Canaanites. We won’t talk all about the Canaanites, but “bad news bears” to be taken over by the Canaanites!

And just a quiz to see how well you were listening: How long had they experienced the discipline of the Lord in this particular story?

Staci: I feel like I need a buzzer! Twenty years!

Erin: A plus, plus, plus!

Staci: Thank you, thank you! 

Erin: Alright, and then Judges 4:3 tells us they cried out to the Lord for help, eventually. It took them a while, twenty years, but eventually they cried out for help. Deborah is a part of that solution. She’s a judge; she’s a prophetess. She calls Barak. She gives him a message from the Lord.

Laura, here’s your chance to be an A plus, plus, plus student. 

Laura: Okay, I’m ready.

Erin: What is the essence (you don’t have to give it word for word) of the message that Deborah delivers to Barak?

Laura: She asks him, “Hasn’t the Lord commanded you to get your men and to go into battle?”

Erin: “Go fight Sisera,” who is the general of the Canaanites. And so a little tidbit here, Deborah is the only female of the twelve judges listed in the book of Judges. That makes her likable to me (some of the other ones were kind of scoundrels), but I’m sure she had weaknesses. They all had weaknesses, and yet God appointed them as judges.

Can you think of some other examples from Scripture (this is an easy A) where God used someone weak to accomplish His purposes? I know they were all weak, but let’s give some specific examples where God used the weak to accomplish His purposes.

Laura: I think right away of Moses. He said he couldn’t speak clearly; he had a stutter or a stammer and was insecure about that. God used him.

Erin: Right, He sure did! I think of Peter. We know that Peter was the rock on whom Christ built His Church, and we like to think of him, maybe post-Pentecost,as he’s preaching these powerful sermons. But Peter was also a guy of weakness that had doubts, that made mistakes, that repeated those mistakes, and yet, the Lord used him in a really profound way.

Laura: He sure did.

Staci: I think of King David, just in the things he fell into and the snares he was kind of involved in, and just that God uses his weakness to do great things for God. Scripture says he was a man after God’s own heart.(see Acts 13:22). 

Erin: Yes, and that really is the pattern, that God uses the weak to accomplish His purposes. Why? I know we’re all weak, so that’s one answer. If He didn’t use the weak, He couldn’t use any of us. But is there a bigger answer? Why does God use the King Davids?

Why did He pick Moses with the speech impediment or the stammer or whatever? Why did He build His Church on Peter, who had a pattern of sin and doubt in his life? Why does God do that?

Staci: I think because, in our weaknesses, God’s strength shines through. So it’s a way for Him to come in and be big and be our strength when we’re weak.

Erin: You got it! That actually comes straight from the Bible! Can you take us to 1 Corinthians 1:26–31. 

Staci: Absolutely! It says, 

Brothers and sisters, consider your calling: Not many were wise from a human perspective, not many powerful, not many of noble birth. Instead, God has chosen what is foolish in the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen what is weak in the world to shame the strong.

God has chosen what is insignificant and despised in the world—what is viewed as nothing—to bring to nothing what is viewed as something, so that no one may boast in his presence.It is from him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became wisdom from God for us—our righteousness, sanctification, and redemption—in order that, as it is written: Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord. 

Erin: There’s the million dollar answer, right there, that “no one would boast in His presence.” God chooses the weak so that He gets the glory! Deborah is fortunate in that Scripture doesn’t canonize her weaknesses, like some other people do, but we know that Deborah had weaknesses.

She was a woman of flesh, and yet God uses her. We’re going to see that in the whole book of Judges. We’re going to look at some of the other characters in Judges in this episode. Let’s head to Judges chapter 4, verse 3. I’ll get verse 3 and then, Laura, could you read us 6 and 7? (I think you’ve read them before; maybe you’ll be a pro at them by now.)

Judges 4:3: “Then the people of Israel cried out to the Lord for help, for he had 900 chariots of iron and he oppressed the people of Israel cruelly for twenty years.” That’s Sisera, this is talking about.

Laura: Judges 4:6–7:

So Deborah sent and summoned Barak the son of Abinoam from Kedesh-naphtali and said to him, "Has not the Lord, the God of Israel, commanded you, 'Go, gather your men at Mount Tabor, taking 10,000 from the people of Naphtali and the people of Zebulun. And I will draw out Sisera, the general of Jabin's army, to meet you by the river Kishon with his chariots and his troops, and I will give him into your hand'?”

Erin: Yes, when I think of these verses, I am amazed that God didn't need chariots to overcome chariots! Sisera had nine-hundred chariots! What’s the equivalent of that for us, like thousands of troops and airplanes and submarines and cannons?

And yet Barak is commanded to gather these ten-thousand men and go up on foot. Foot soldiers versus chariots. This is not going to turn out well unless the Lord intervenes! Laura, do you have some thoughts?

Laura: I do!

Erin: I thought . . . I could tell. 

Staci: Her eyes . . . she was like, “I’m gonna say it!”

Laura: Okay, so there’s a verse in Psalm 20, verse 7, and it says: “Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the Lord our God.”

Erin: Mmm, so good! 

Laura: Yes, I cling to that. 

Erin: I wonder if the psalmist was talking about this story? Could have been.

Laura: I wonder, yes, I thought the same thing.

Erin: Well, great minds think alike, because I wanted to go to the psalms in this episode. Let’s go together to Psalm 46, and I really feel like this is a song for our day. As I was picturing women listening to this episode, I thought, Let’s just give them this psalm. Let’s just give them God’s Word to paint this picture of what God could do!

So let’s read it in stanzas: I’ll read verses 1–3. Staci, you pick it up verses 4–7, and then Laura you end it, verses 8–11.

God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore we will not fear though the earth gives way, though the mountains be moved into the heart of the sea, though its waters roar and foam, though the mountains tremble at its swelling.

Staci:

There is a river—its streams delight the city of God, the holy dwelling place of the Most High. God is within her; she will not be toppled. God will help her when the morning dawns. Nations rage, kingdoms topple; the earth melts when he lifts his voice.The Lord of Armies is with us; the God of Jacob is our stronghold.

Laura:

Come, behold the works of the Lord, how he has brought desolations on the earth. He makes wars cease to the end of the earth; he breaks the bow and shatters the spear; he burns the chariots with fire. "Be still, and know that I am God. I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth!" The Lord of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our fortress.

Erin: I wanted to read that, because I’m not sure we always realize that it’s in the context of war that we get that verse, “Be still and know that I am God.” We think it’s like beside a babbling brook! And we see this illustrated in Deborah’s story, in Barak’s story, that God is using the weak to conquer the strong enemy, and He does that over and over and over.

Now, I don’t think the psalmist wrote this with the battle of Sisera in mind. But God did this for the Israelites more than once, and He does it for us more than once. The psalmist is like, “Chariots? Bring ’em! Armies? Send ’em! Vicious generals? C’mon! Because the God of Angel Armies is on our side!” I just think that’s so strengthening and encouraging for whatever battles we’re in!

So let’s head back to Judges. We’re going to stay pretty close to Judges 4 and 5 for the rest of this episode. I want to revisit Judges 4:6–10: 

She sent and summoned Barak the son of Abinoam from Kedesh-naphtali and said to him, "Has not the Lord, the God of Israel, commanded you, 'Go, gather your men at Mount Tabor, taking 10,000 from the people of Naphtali and the people of Zebulun. And I will draw out Sisera, the general of Jabin's army, to meet you by the river Kishon with his chariots and his troops, and I will give him into your hand'"? Barak said to her, "If you will go with me, I will go, but if you will not go with me, I will not go." 

And she said, "I will surely go with you. Nevertheless, the road on which you are going will not lead to your glory, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hand of a woman." Then Deborah arose and went with Barak to Kedesh. And Barak called out Zebulun and Naphtali to Kedesh. And 10,000 men went up at his heels, and Deborah went up with him. 

Okay, there’s a lot we don’t know about Barak. When there’s a lot we don’t know, we tend to make assumptions. So, I’m curious, what are your assumptions about Barak . . . Staci?

Staci: Well, right off the bat, you kind of get the sense that he’s a scaredy-cat a little bit. He kind of needs her to hold his hand a little bit as he goes into the battle.

Erin: Yes? Any assumptions from you, Laura? 

Laura: Yes, kind of like what Jonah wrestled with when the Lord called him to go to Nineveh. It seems like he was sitting on this command personally, until Deborah called it out.

Erin: Because it was a reminder . . .

Laura: Right, and who knows how long? Yes, and then he kind of needs her to reassure him that he’s doing the right thing. I’m not sure.

Erin: Right. It’s important to me that we go, “Okay, this is what the text actually says,” and “This is what we assume.” And the text doesn’t give us a lot to go on. Barak does insist that Deborah go with him. Was he scared? We don’t know. Was it an expression of unbelief? We don’t know.

As I was reading it again, I thought, Well, it could have been an expression of humility . . . that he was honoring that he knew Deborah had heard a word from the Lord. He could have just as easily said, “You’re crazy! I don’t believe that you heard from the Lord!”

And there is a precedent among the Israelites for taking symbols of God’s presence into battle. They do that with the ark of the covenant in 1 Samuel.

Laura: You know what we do know, Erin? He shows up in Hebrews 11 in the great Hall of Faith, so the Lord might have the last word on that. Verse 32: “And what more shall I say? [of all the saints who lived by faith] For time would fail me to tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah . . .” so on and so forth. So the Lord is honoring him here in the New Testament for living by faith.

Erin: Yes, as a man of faith. So I don’t want to color him wrong. I want to look at him through what Scripture actually tells us.

Staci: And, can I say? It’s not really uncommon, either. Even when we look at Moses, we see that he needed Aaron. It’s like whenever God gives a call, and we feel like we’re not ready or we need someone to go with us . . .

Erin: I feel that way! I’m no Moses, and I’m no Barak. I wouldn’t even put myself in the same category as them. But I want someone to go with me! It doesn’t necessarily mean I don’t believe God; it just means it’s scary! So I want to make sure that we are giving him a fair shot, here.

But I think Deborah’s answer is interesting in Judges 4:9:

And she said, "I will surely go with you. Nevertheless, the road on which you are going will not lead to your glory, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hand of a woman."

 Is that a punishment? Was Barak being punished?

Laura: Hmm. Well, just going with what it says, no. All it says is, “I just need you to know this: You’re going to go do this great thing, but I need you to know, you’re not going to get the glory for this, because the Lord’s plan is a woman.”

Erin: God doesn’t say, “I’m going to punish you by giving the glory into the hand of a woman.” So, again, as I’m studying this I’m thinking, Well, there’s another assumption that might not necessarily be true. Laura, do you have Isaiah 42:8?

Laura: It says, “I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.”

Erin: So, the fact that God didn’t give Barak the glory isn’t necessarily punishment, because God doesn’t share his glory. We see that. We could make some assumptions that he was a military leader, so he might have gotten all of the glory for the victory. So, again, I just want to make sure we’re looking at what is actually there and not what we think is there.

Okay, let’s pivot to another person in the story, Jael. I’m dying to talk about her, because I love a good plot twist! She certainly provides one! Let’s go to Judges 4, verses 17–18, who wants to read these two verses?

Staci:

Meanwhile, Sisera had fled on foot to the tent of Jael, the wife of Heber the Kenite, because there was peace between King Jabin of Hazor and the family of Heber the Kenite. Jael went out to greet Sisera and said to him, "Come in, my lord. Come in with me. Don’t be afraid.’"So he went into her tent, and she covered him with a blanket. (CSB)

Erin: Okay, we don’t know a lot about her. We get her husband’s name, Heber. We know some of what she’s from. We know she’s a Kenite—which could just roll right past our heads, fly right over our heads. We might not know what that means, so let me school us a little bit . . . because I have Google, so I could look it up!

They were not Israelites. The most famous Kenite was Jethro, the father-in-law of Moses. They were Midianites. So in this story, they’re trying to stay neutral, but there’s no neutrality in the war between good and evil! She seems to be everything we celebrate about womanhood.

She’s hospitable. The Bible even tells us that she approached Sisera softly, but that’s not how her story ends. Laura, could you read us Judges 4:19–22?

Laura:

And he said to her, "Please give me a little water to drink, for I am thirsty." So she opened a skin of milk and gave him a drink and covered him. And he said to her, "Stand at the opening of the tent, and if any man comes and asks you, 'Is anyone here?' say, 'No.'" 

But Jael the wife of Heber took a tent peg, and took a hammer in her hand. Then she went softly to him and drove the peg into his temple until it went down into the ground while he was lying fast asleep from weariness. So he died. 

And behold, as Barak was pursuing Sisera, Jael went out to meet him and said to him, "Come, and I will show you the man whom you are seeking." So he went in to her tent, and there lay Sisera dead, with the tent peg in his temple. 

Erin: Ooh, this is what I was saying, Staci. This would be a tough one to teach to those preteen girls that you love so much. It’s gruesome; it’s kind of hard to think about. And yet, it was a source of praise for the people of God. Let me read from Judges 5:24–27. This is their song of praise when the battle is over.

Most blessed of women be Jael, the wife of Heber the Kenite, of tent-dwelling women most blessed. He asked for water and she gave him milk; she brought him curds in a noble's bowl.

She sent her hand to the tent peg and her right hand to the workmen's mallet; she struck Sisera; she crushed his head; she shattered and pierced his temple. Between her feet he sank, he fell, he lay still; between her feet he sank, he fell; where he sank, there he fell—dead.

Imagine singing that song with the kids at your church!

But all human praise is really God’s praise, and God orchestrated His people’s deliverance through these unlikely instruments. When you think about it, every piece of this story is strange, every character in this story is unlikely, down to the last man, down to the last woman—including Jael the Midianite, who is just trying to stay out of the fight . . . and Sisera shows up at her tent.

Laura: It’s quite a story!

Staci: I think about the bravery and the courage that she had. Here comes this big . . . I imagine in my head that Sisera is this huge army commander. You don’t just command an army if you’re not kind of scary in some way. So, him coming in and her having the courage to do that is just wild.

Erin: It is wild! She lived in the land of God’s people. She’d surely heard stories about God the Deliverer. She reminds me of Rahab, you know? Rahab, who was not an Israelite, but had heard the stories. When God decides to deliver His people, there is no stopping Him! 

She participates in this profound way. It’s fascinating! Two little gold nuggets come to me out of these verses that we’ve read: 

1) God can and does use unlikely instruments to deliver His people. None of these people were chosen on merit; they were chosen because God selected them. 

2) That means that God can and does use us!

Staci, I know that you teach for True Girl, and your mission is really to fight for the hearts and minds of little girls. It’s an intense battle. In some ways it’s as intense as the battle as Barak fought against Sisera. When you think about the people that God used in this story, and the fact that they were all unlikely instruments, what makes you an unlikely instrument to fight the battle that you’re fighting?

Staci: I think just my personality. People think I’m kind of loud and fun and stuff, but I really am a little bit introverted and a bit quiet.So it is always a little anxiety provoking when I do have to speak or when I do have to deliver something.

And so, I do think it is really interesting that God would choose to use me, knowing that. When I get up there, when I do things like this, I am still nervous. But all the more I see His strength and His power come in, enabling me to do it. It doesn’t make sense, when you look at me and my personality.

Erin: And to bring it back to where we started, it’s for His glory. Somebody that loved to be on stage, that loved to be in front of people, could step right into that and probably secure a lot of glory for themselves.

Laura, what makes you an unlikely instrument to be used in the battles the Lord is fighting?

Laura: Well, I think particularly . . . I do love to be on stage! I love this! I love speaking with you girls; I love teaching. But for most of my womanhood, the Lord has called me home—to live at home, to love my husband, to love my children, to homeschool my children.

So I think about Jael using that tent peg. It’s like this very domestic thing that is needed for the foundation of your home, to hold it down. And then she uses that to fight her battle. That, to me, is an unlikely instrument. And I see all of the love and care and nurture that I do within my home as being my “tent peg” in this battle against evil, and good overcoming evil.

Every time I can remind my children about God’s grace, and every time I can cheer my husband on. I’m an unlikely instrument because from the very beginning of this episode, talking about my sensitivity, sometimes it feels like, “It’s all about me, and I’m so hurt!” Who would use a vessel like that to love a man and six kids?

But I have to rely on the Lord to make me strong and to make me loving. 

Staci: I think even to hear you say that, just thinking about Jael, and how she was right where she needed to be and where she was supposed to be. She was at her dwelling.

Erin: She wasn’t at the battle!

Staci: Yes, she was at home, right where she was supposed to be. God used her where He needed her to be; she was there. So it’s just interesting that Laura said, “I felt I was needed in the home,” and that is where you’re supposed to be.

Laura: And over the years I’ve seen that to be true. I wrestled with it more and more in my earlier years, but over time, you see the Lord doing that. You think, “Oh, I get it!” I’m not saying tomorrow I’m not going to fall into the whole cycle again, but I do see His faithfulness and His work, for sure!

Erin: Well, I’m a cracked pot all the way through. There’s nothing that makes me a likely instrument for God to use, not physically, not mentally, not spiritually, not emotionally. There’s nothing I bring to God’s table. It’s all grace! Every opportunity is grace, all fruit that hangs on my life is grace, so I think I resonate probably more with Jael than with Deborah.

Because with Deborah, you kind of go, “Oh, yeah! She’s at ease. She’s a judge, and there’s some valor” as we talked about her. Jael is just on the fringes, and the Lord uses her. So I think I resonate with her probably the most of any of the characters in this story.

Staci: Yes. I used to have a music teacher, and he would always say, “I’m thankful for my brokenness, for the cracks, because that’s how the light gets in!” I always think about that, and just in regard to Christ, like we’re broken so that His glory can abound, so that He can fill us.

Erin: It’s true.

Staci: It’s just more ways for Him to get in, and I was just like, “I like that!”

Erin: Yes. I think of the Red Sea. Why were their backs against the wall? Why were they pressed on every side? Well, so God could get the glory! I just feel like I’m up at the Red Sea all the time: “I can’t part this. I can’t fix it. I can’t get Pharoah to turn around!” Then the Lord will intervene so that He can get the glory.

That’s what this story’s about; that’s what every story in Scripture is about. It’s all pointing us to Jesus. Well, I thought to wrap up this episode, there’s a Spurgeon quote about this part of the story that really speaks to me. (You know we love Spurgeon! He’s so good; it’s going to be good!)

You’ll have to notice some of his Old English; Spurgeon sometimes talks above my head, but the heart of this is so strong! 

The Lord can still use feeble instrumentalities; why not me? He may use persons who are not called to great public engagements [that’s you, Staci!], why not you?

The woman who slew the enemy of Israel was no Amazon, but a wife who tarried in her tent. [That’s you, Laura!] She was no orator, but a woman who milked cows and made butter. May not the Lord use any one of us to accomplish His purpose?

Somebody may come to the house today—even as Sisera came to Jael’s tent. Be it ours not to slay him but to save him. Let us receive him with great kindness, and then bring forth the blessed truth of salvation by the Lord Jesus, our Great Substitute, and press home the command, ‘Believe and live!’ Who knoweth but [that] some stouthearted sinner may be slain by the Gospel today!

Laura: God often uses people with great weaknesses to get His plan done! I’ve been talking about that with Erin Davis and Staci Rudolph. It’s part of season 6 of Women of the Bible. We’re looking at the life of Deborah. To follow along with us, I hope you’ll get a copy of this study called Deborah: Becoming a Woman of Valor. 

To get a copy, visit ReviveOurHearts.com/WomenOfTheBible. When you’re there, you can also see each episode on video. On the next episode, our friends will explore this question: How can you know God’s will?

Staci: God is always downloading things, but are you in a place that you can hear it and receive it?

Erin: What interrupts the frequency?

Staci: Sin is huge, huge, huge when it comes to that. 

Erin: Yes, it really is!

Laura: I’m Laura Booz, and I hope you’ll join us next time on the Women of the Bible podcast. 

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About the Panelists

Laura Booz

Laura Booz

Laura Booz is the author of Expect Something Beautiful: Finding God's Good Gifts in Motherhood and the host of the Expect Something Beautiful podcast with Revive Our Hearts. She'll cheer you on, share practical ideas, and point out the beautiful ways God is working in your life. She lives in Pennsylvania with her husband, Ryan, and their six children. Meet her at LauraBooz.com.

Staci Rudolph

Staci Rudolph

Staci Rudolph is a lead teacher for True Girl. From co-hosting online Bible studies like "Habakkuk: Walking By Faith Through Difficult Days" to facilitating biblical discussion of teen topics on the True You videocast, Staci is passionate about encouraging tweens, teens, and women of all ages to walk in God’s Truth.

About the Host

Erin Davis

Erin Davis

Erin Davis is an author, blogger, and speaker who loves to see women of all ages run to the deep well of God’s Word. She is the author of many books and Bible studies including: 7 Feasts, Connected, Beautiful Encounters, and the My Name Is Erin series. She serves on the ministry team of Revive Our Hearts. When she’s not writing, you can find Erin chasing chickens and children on her small farm in the Midwest.

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