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Daily Program
God's Faithful Provision
Series: Embracing God's Gift of Children
Friday, August 30 2002
Leslie Basham: Ask any mom, children are expensive. But when God blesses us with children, He also provides the resources to take care of them. Today is Friday, August 30; and this is Revive Our Hearts with Nancy Leigh DeMoss. Have you ever felt limited in the size of your family, by the size of your budget? Today Nancy will continue our conversation with the pastor's wife and mother of eight, Holly Elliff. She has seen God's faithful provision time and again. Let's listen. Nancy Leigh DeMoss: Welcome back to Revive Our Hearts, Holly. Holly Elliff: Thanks, Nancy it has been great. Nancy Leigh DeMoss: Now just before the program today, when I told a friend what the subject was of this week's broadcast, they suggested that perhaps we should change the theme song this week to "Fools Rush In Where Angels Fear To Tread." Holly Elliff: I agree. We have been talking, for those who haven't been listening earlier this week, about this whole subject of childbearing, and about the call and about the plan and about the sovereignty, in relation to this matter of children. And how is that different from how our culture views children? I appreciate how honestly you have been sharing with us out of your own life about your experience. And not just your experience, but how you went to the Scripture as a young mother with four children at the time, and how God has directed you and your husband to a position of seeing that children were the gift of God, that they were a blessing. And you know when we talk about blessings, if God were handing out thousand dollar bills today, I can't imagine any one of us standing up and saying, "God, please, no more blessings. We can't handle anymore blessings." But somehow we have taken the position, even in the Christian culture, that children are a limited blessing or a blessing that we don't want too many of. But you and Bill came to the understanding as you got into the Word, that you were to relinquish total control of this area of your lives, as other areas of your lives, to the Lord and to trust Him to determine how many children you should have. So, you now have eight children. You do not know if God will or will not give you any more. But you shared with us yesterday that the freedom for you has come through trusting that God is going to make that decision and that what He does will be wise and good. Now it is easy sitting here in this studio to talk about those things, but I am thinking about some of the questions that those who have been listening to this program may be asking. For example the woman who said, "We just cannot afford to have anymore children. My husband does not have a great income, and I can't work full time because I am taking care of these children. How are we going to afford having all of these kids?" Holly Elliff: Well, obviously this area is very countercultural. And our culture is so centered on materialism, on what we need or think we need, on what we want. And what we have found when we have raised our children on a pastor's salary, and my husband does have a secure income...and we are very grateful for that. But even so, our kids do not have everything they want. Really when you look at Scripture and what God says are needs; there are very few things that we actually need. There are many things that we want. So, what we tell our kids is, "If there is something that you really want, then you ask God to provide that for you." There is nothing wrong with your children seeing God as the provider of the good things that we have. Even just a couple of weeks ago, as we thought about the financial needs for the wedding coming and our third child is in college. We are not people who started putting away money with our first child, to finance a college education. And so, we really have had to trust God, really encouraged our children to start praying for God to provide a certain amount of money. And just this week we got a letter in the mail from an Aunt who had never had children of her own and just recently went to be with the Lord and provided the money we need for our son to go to college this year. And it will help pay for Jennifer's wedding. Totally out of the blue. But it was so wonderful to go to our children and say, "Look at this! This is an avenue we never even dreamed existed. A woman who lived very simply, that chose to do this." And God has illustrated to our children, time and time again that when there are genuine needs, that He will meet those needs. It is very contrary to Scripture to assume that God would give us children and then not give us the ability to provide basic needs for those children. Nancy Leigh DeMoss: And being an encouragement and a help, perhaps in the financial area like that Aunt was, perhaps in help with time, encouraging those mothers who have their hands full with all those children. So, this is a way that really the Body can be a Body and encourage each other. Let me ask you another question that I hear sometimes. How old were you when you had your last child? Holly Elliff: I was 43 when I had Jessica. Nancy Leigh DeMoss: And did you get some people saying to you, "After 40 there is higher risk here?" Holly Elliff: Actually, it is amazing what I had even Christian physicians say to me. One doctor was compelled to read me this long list of things that could happen when you have had children into your 40s. And at the end of that list, I said to him, "Do you believe that God is sovereign over this area?" He said, "Well, God is the author of life." I said, "Do you believe that children are a blessing?" He said, "Well, of course!" I said, "If you did not know my age, is there any reason why you would have a concern about me being pregnant?" He said, "Well, no, but statistically this is the evidence." And I really challenged him. And this is someone I knew fairly well. But I really challenged him as he dealt with women not to place fears in their hearts that God did not put there--that man has put there. And if they are trusting God to give them their children, and God allows them to get pregnant at 40 or 43 or 45...I was not the oldest mother on the floor...there was a woman there who was 46 and having twins. So, I felt really good about that. I was not the oldest mother there. But what I have found was that we really have adopted or accepted a great deal of the world's philosophy in this area. And that this is really very simple in Scripture. If we will just look at the truth of God's Word and trust Him. Nancy Leigh DeMoss: OK. What about the woman who says, "I want to have more children, but my husband is not for that, is not open to that." How do you encourage that woman? Holly Elliff: The Scripture says we can always ask God to give us the desires of our heart, and then leave the outcome to Him. So, I encouraged her to go to her husband, share her heart honestly and then if her husband still feels very strongly about this, then it becomes an issue that she takes up with the Lord, who is her intercessor. And if she goes before Christ, she can continue to tell Him the desire of her heart and even to ask Him to change her husband's heart because she is praying something that is in accord with Scripture. She is not praying outside of God's will. So, she has the freedom to go to God and say, "This is something I desire to do. Would You allow me to have more children?" Nancy Leigh DeMoss: I read an article recently in a major Christian women's magazine by a woman who was a married woman in her 30s, who was explaining why she and her husband had chosen childlessness. She said that when she was 13 years old that she looked around. And for various reasons, including all of the evil in the world--and she saw all of these moms with all these kids--and they seemed so trapped. And she just came to the conclusion she did not want children. And now, as a Christian woman, she is writing an article, in a major publication, telling why chosen childlessness may be God's plan for some women. Do you find younger women today thinking more this way? Is there a trend in this? Holly Elliff: Well I do think for about thirty years that we have been listening to voices other than Scripture, to give us our philosophy. And I think it is real challenging for Christians to say, "Where did I get my beliefs in this area? Why do I believe this? And is it biblical? I was astounded to look back on my own life and realize that I had not even considered, is this biblical, up until the point where we began to be challenged by God to do that. I do think in talking with my daughters and their friends who are married, I do think we are seeing a large number of Christians, committed Christian couples, who are saying, "We will not have children so that we can be more free to minister. Nancy Leigh DeMoss: And what do you say to them? Holly Elliff: Well, first of all I would love to be able to sit down with them across the table and do for them what someone did for us, which is simply to challenge us to pick up God's Word and to examine it in light of Scripture, putting aside what we know in our culture. And to simply get to the truth of God's Word. What does God say about this? Is there any way that I can justify what I believe, biblically? And if I can't, as a Christian, if I cannot prove what I believe biblically, then there is a problem with my belief system. Nancy Leigh DeMoss: So, we are really coming back to what we have been saying all week--and that is that in this area, as in every area of life as children of God--we must go to the Scripture to let the Word of God be our ultimate authority and surrender ourselves to His sovereign plan and will in our lives, to embrace what He says about children, about our role as women and how our lives are to center around marriage and family and why that is part of His redemptive purpose in this world. And as we surrender to that plan, God may or may not have marriage for us, and a woman who surrenders her childbearing to the Lord, He may or may not give her more children. He may not give her any children. So, the key issue really becomes, do I trust God to make those decisions in my life? And in spite of my fears or things I may not understand, am I really willing to let Him be the Lord? Leslie Basham: You can also get a tape of this week's series for a suggested donation of $5. Our number is 1-800-569-5959. Or go on-line, our web address is /www.ReviveOurHearts.com While you are on-line, you can tell us your thoughts on this week's series via e-mail. Or if you would rather, you can write to us and mail your letter to Revive Our Hearts. We enjoy hearing what you think. And would you consider becoming a prayer supporter of Revive Our Hearts? We need your prayers for guidance, strength and resources. If you are able to commit to praying on a regular basis, would you write and let us know? And if you able to support us financially, it would be a tremendous help to us as well. Next Monday, the Bible will come alive to you, as we take a fresh look at the story of Ruth. Max McLean will be our guest, and we hope you can be here for Revive Our Hearts. Revive Our Hearts with Nancy Leigh DeMoss is a ministry partnership of Life Action Ministries. That's Nancy DeMoss reminding us that the Bible is our ultimate authority in all areas of life. If you have been challenged to seek God's will as it relates to children, we encourage you to get a copy of A Full Quiver, by Rick and Jan Hess. A lot of issues that Nancy has raised this week are discussed in the book, and we have it available in our Resource Center for a suggested donation of $10. I talked to a young gal in our church a couple of weeks ago, who has one child. Her husband has decided that's all they can afford. And she desperately wants more children. And I encouraged her, first of all, to go to her husband and make an appeal and share her heart honestly with him. Well, and Holly, as I am listening to that story, I am reminded of those who don't have children because they are either single or are married and God has not blessed them with children. And we are a community or a Body or a family, and there are roles that those of us who don't have children can have.
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"Hello, I was looking up another topic and "stumbled" onto this appropriate subject.
You see, I am 45 years old with 8 children-my oldest being 20 yrs. and my youngest being 3 yrs old. My husband and I felt the Lord lead us not to go and get "fixed" back right before I gave birth to my last baby. I am sooooo encouraged by what I read in this article and want to thank you for the discusssion. I've been blessed and been reminded of the Truth.
Thank you, Sherry In KY"