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The Good Works of a Dead Church

Series: Wake Up--Revelation: Sardis

Tuesday, November 3 2009

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Watch Nancy quote the letter to the church at Sardis on the Isle of Patmos, above.

Leslie Basham: Heres Nancy Leigh DeMoss.

Nancy Leigh DeMoss: So many, many people today who would call themselves Christians, and are in fact members in good standing in many of our local churches, simply do not have a real testimony of a transforming encounter with Jesus Christ.

Leslie: This is Revive Our Hearts with Nancy Leigh DeMoss for Tuesday, November 3.

Jesus dictated seven letters to John at the beginning of Revelation. Weve been tackling those series by series this year. As part of our current series called Wake Up, we look at churches. What are the marks of a dead church?

Heres Nancy.

Nancy: Jeremy Bentham was a British philosopher and social reformer who died in 1832. He stipulated in his will that his body should be perpetually preserved and displayed in a cabinet. So a large mahogany case was constructed with a plate glass front on the case.

The body of Jeremy Bentham waswell, they did a lot of things to it first, but I wont go into all that description. But they finally put the body back together and seated him on a chair where he actually used to sit when he was alive, and wearing his own 19th century clothing with his walking stick in his hand, and put that body in this position in this case with the glass front.

A friend at the time wrote in a letter, The likeness is so perfect that it seems as if alive.

Eventually Benthams corpse ended up at the University College London where hes been on public display since 1850. Tradition has it that Bentham expressed a wish to be present in this state at meetings of the college board. One legend which has been commonly repeated (Ive done a lot of research on this, but I dont know if this is true, but its been commonly said)that the box with the preserved body with the glass plate front is wheeled into the board meetings every year, and that Benthams presence is always recorded in the minutes with these words: Jeremy Bentham, present but not voting.1

Now, as I think about Bentham present but not voting, I cant help but think that thats a picture of a whole lot of folks in our churches today: present but not voting. They cant vote because theyre dead, and when I say voting, I dont just mean voting in a business meeting. I mean voting with their lives, their hearts, their involvement.

Our churches are filled today with people who are physically presenttheyre on display. They look alive and well-preserved, but their heads and their hearts are not engaged in the things of God. They have no capacity to respond to spiritual truth because theyre not alive. Theyre spiritually dead.

Its not always easy to look at these people and obviously know that anything is wrong because, as was said of Benthams body, the likeness was so perfect that it seems as if alive. Its not always obvious whos dead and whos alive in the church because this is a matter of the heart. Its something that God knows as He looks at those individuals in those churches.

We started in the last session into the letter to the church in Sardis in Revelation chapter 3. Let me pick up beginning at verse 1 again in that letter:

To the angel of the church of Sardis write: "The words of him who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. "I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive.

Now, some of your translations say there, You have a name that you are alive. Thats a helpful translation because the word reputation there is actually the word for name that appears elsewhere throughout this letter. Well see that connection as we move on in this series.

You have a name for being aliveyou have a reputation for being alivebut, you are in fact, dead.

Now, let me say that as I started into studying on this series, having just done the churches in Pergamum and Thyatira, I thought to myself: The church in Sardis is going to be a lot easier than Pergamum and Thyatira. There arent nearly as many issues to deal with in this church. Well, as I got into it, I found that there a lot of interpretative challenges and the more commentaries I read, the more confused I got at times. So Im not going to solve all those issues or problems, but I am going to try and give us an overview of what it seems to me that this Scripture is saying.

One of the things that Ive grappled with is: Who are these people who have a reputation for being alive, but they are actually dead?

Commentators fall into two basic categories on this. Some commentators believe that these are carnal believers. Theyre Christians, but theyre like comatose. Theyre not quite dead; theyre almost dead.

One commentator said, for example, This is a figurative overstatement that you are dead. Its intended to emphasis the churchs precarious spiritual state and the imminent danger of its genuine death.2

I think thats a possible interpretation of this phrase.

Others would say, and I tend to agree with them, that these are people who are truly spiritually dead. They are not true believers at all. They are what we call today nominal Christiansnominal, in name only. They have a name for being alive, but they are not alive. Theyre cultural Christians, but theyre not really Christians at all.

The fact is, we have a lot of both kinds of people in the church today, and its hard to tell the differencecomatose, dead. I mean, it just all looks the same when you look at these people within the church, and a lot of times its hard to tell who really does have spiritual life. We dont know in many cases. Its impossible to tell the difference sometimes between the wheat and the tares, in the parable that Jesus told in the gospels, but both of these kinds of peoplewhether theyre carnal, comatose, or whether they are nominal, spiritually deadboth of those types of people are of concern to Christ and should be of concern to us as well.

By the external appearance of things, these people and this church in Sardis had works. Jesus said, I know your works. This is a church that appeared to be flourishing. It appeared to be doing quite well, thank you. You have a reputation of being alive, but the fact is, they werent alive. They were just a corpse. They were dead. They lacked life.

One commentator said, There may be prayers, vigils, fasts, temples, altars, priests, rites, ceremonies, worship, and still be no true piety. Heathenism has all these.3

Lost people can do most of the things that we do in our churches, but that doesnt make them saved.

The Scripture talks in Hebrews about dead works. You can have works that you do, but theyre not works that flow out of the fruit of the Holy Spirit living within you. Its like sticking fruit on a tree, just attaching it and then calling it a fruit tree. Its just fruit thats attached; its not fruit thats been born by that tree.

True Christians will bear the fruit of the Spirit, and it will be done by the Spirit of God who lives within them. Theyre alive. Theres life flowing through them, and that brings forth fruit. But for those who are dead, they can attach works to that tree, they can attach good things, but theres still no life.

Dr. Donald Gray Barnhouse, now with the Lord, pastored for many years in Philadelphia, the city where I grew up. In his commentary on this passage, he says,

It is not scandalous wickedness, but decent death; the form retained, the heart gone; Christ owned in word, ignored in deed; creeds correct, conduct respectable, life departed . . . sound doctrine and outward propriety . . . affections not only waning, but gone. His name held, His Word read, His truth owned, Himself forgotten.4

Thats a description of this church in Sardis. The reputation was that they were alive; the reality was that they were dead. The reputation is what man sees and thinks; the reality is what God sees and knows; and there can be a big difference between reputation and reality.

You can fool others with a reputation. In my house on my piano lid, I have a beautiful arrangement of flowers in this glass vase that has water. Well, it looks like it has water in the bottom of it (and you know where Im headed with this), these are artificial flowers, but I cant tell you how many times people have thought they were real. I remember one time somebody going up and telling me how wonderful my flowers were, and they were sure they were real. They said, I can smell them.

Well, they arent real, but they look real. Theyre deceptive. The reality is different than the perception. You can fool others, but you cannot fool God. He knows the reality.

People evaluate based on external outward appearances and impressions. God evaluates based on the inner heart reality.

In my quiet time a few days ago, I came to that passage in 1 Samuel 16 where Samuel the prophet was going to anoint a king with Gods instruction. It says,

[He] looked on Jesses firstborn Eliab, and thought, Surely the Lords anointed is before him." [Surely this is the one.] But the Lord said to Samuel, Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance [the reputation], but the Lord looks on the heart [the reality] (verses 6-7).

When the reality is not the same as the reputation, what we have is hypocrisyhypocrisy.

I read a report recently that came out of Baptist Press, and I say this, not to pick on the Baptists at all, because something similar could be said of most of our churches and denominations today. But this was in public, in print. It was suggested that one of the reasons Southern Baptists are facing struggles with their evangelism efforts is that many church members may not be saved themselves.

Then it talks about a study that was done by Thom Rainer, who currently is the president and CEO of Lifeway Christian Resources of the Southern Baptist Convention. In that study, "he found that the evangelistic effectiveness of that denomination has remained fairly stagnant since 1950."5

A Baptist Press commentary by Todd Brady, who is currently a pastor in Paducah, Kentucky, says "that one of the most troubling reasons Rainer gives to the stagnation is 'unregenerate' church members. Brady notes that for the most part, not much is required to join a Southern Baptist church. And again, you could say this of most of our churches today. Not much is required:walk down an aisle, nod affirmatively at the pastors leading questions, and wait for the congregation to say Amen.5

Now, these are not people criticizing the Baptists. These are Baptists saying this about their own denomination. In fact, the studys assessment is that nearly one-half of all church members may not be Christians.

Brady says, The conclusion is not hard to draw: an unbelieving church cannot be an evangelistic church, and some would question whether a church half full of unbelievers is even a church in the first place.5

Its a good question. Its a question we need to be asking.

This church in Sardismaybe we ought to put church in quote marksthis so-called church, You have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead" (verse1).You have a name that you are alive, but you are deadpresent but not voting; a propped-up corpse.

What is said of the church of Sardis can be true of entire churches. It can be just as true of individuals within the church. It can be true of families. It can be true of denominations. And I believe, sadly, it is true of evangelicals, as a whole, in our day. You have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. You have activity; you get rolled around in your beautiful display box, but theres no life.

The reputation of being alivea lot of churches today are very impressive, impressive to others. They have buildings, staff, big budgets, praise bands, worship teams, technology, websites, creativity, organization, marketing campaigns, multiple services, Saturday and Sunday services. There may be othersbig numbers, big attendance in some cases, activities and outreaches, and people galore writing reports about how great these churches are. Again, Im not criticizing big churches; Im just saying in our churches today, many within them would say, Were doing great. Theyre doing a lot of things that are impressive to outsidersYou have a name, a reputation, for being alive.

Its not just true of churches. Its true of a lot of people, millions of Christians who have a name for being alive. They profess to be Christians. They go to church. They put their kids in Christian school, or they home school their kids, or theyre involved in ministries within public schools. Theyre active in the programs of the church. They go to Bible study. On and onthey have a name for being alive; they have a reputation for being alive.

It can be true of families. People may think that you have a great Christian family that you love each other; youre committed to each other, that somehow you guys are different. But how many of us would have to say that what goes on within the four walls of our homesif truth be toldis not the same as our reputation? The reality is our families are dying; theyre fragmented; theyre broken; theyre deeply wounded and greatly in need of the resurrection power of Christ.

You have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead.

The dictionary says that a corpse is a "dead body or something that is no longer useful or viable." What a description of so many of our churches and so who call themselves today Christians.

It brings to mind where Jesus taught in the New Testament about white-washed sepulchers that look great on the outside.

Are you familiar with the word mausoleum? Ive heard that word, but I didnt know exactly what it meant until I looked it up yesterday. A mausoleumthe word actually means magnificent tomb. Mausoleumthe Taj Mahal is a mausoleum. Magnificent tombsmany of these are ornate. Theyre richly decorated. They have this impressive appearance, but they are filled with dead mens bones.

Jesus said to the Pharisees of His day, You are magnificent tombs. You are mausoleums. You are white-washed sepulchers. That speaks of having form without substance, being busy, being active, but being barren and lifeless insidehaving the appearance of godliness but denying its power.

So many, many people today who would call themselves Christians, and are in fact members in good standing of our local churches, simply do not have a real testimony of a transforming encounter with Jesus Christ. They dont have life. Theyre going through the motions, and so many of our churches are living on past glory as Sardis was.

This passage is a warning to quote great churches and quote great believers who are living on something that may have been true in the past but no longer is true today.

Theres an external appearance of life, of enthusiasm, but its not representative of the real heartpeople who profess something that they do not possessbig, big difference.

  • Theyre active in church and in Christian activities, but theyre passionless and cold and indifferent to the things of God.
  • They dont have passion for the lost.
  • They are staid, rigid, formal, or they may be exuberant and have a lot of display of emotion, but there is no life in their heart.
  • Theres no zeal, no passion, no blood coursing through their veins.
  • Theres no breath of the Spirit in them giving life.
  • Theres no true spiritual growth, no true spiritual fruitfulness.
  • They are hollow and deep shells, no life, lifeless, dead corpsespresent but not votingon display but no life.

Theres an absence of the Holy Spirit of God in the life or in the church.When the church becomes filled with people who have no spiritual life, then that church no longer has the right to be called a church. Its an institution; its a mausoleum. It may be a magnificent tomb.

The word for that in the Old Testament was Ichabod, and that term could be written over many of our lives and many of our homes and many of our churches. The glory of God has departed; its not here anymore, but we keep going, keep living as if the old glory were still there, as if the Spirit of God were still there.

Let me say, by the way, that in the final analysis, those lost, dead church members are really no better off than someone on the street whos going to hell, shooting drugs into their veins or doing prostitution for a living. Satan doesnt care how he gets you to hell. He can get you to hell on Skid Row, or he can get you to hell playing church. He doesnt care, and thats exactly what hes doing with millions and millions of people who are sitting in our church services week after week, dead corpsespresent but not voting.

Let me ask you a question: Is your spiritual image, your spiritual reputation different than the reality? Has the Holy Spirit been quickening your heart, perhaps, as Ive been talking over these last moments, showing you your true condition? Has He been showing you that you have a reputation for being alive, but you are spiritually dead? I think some of us have been thinking, Yes, my church is that way, or that church down the street, theyre that way; theyre dead.

The Scripture says, He who has ears to hear, let him hearlet the individual hearwhat Christ is saying to the churches (verse 6)So Im asking youdo you have a reputation for being alive, but you are spiritually deadpropped up corpses, magnificent tombspresent but not voting?

Let me plead with you: Dont blow off the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Face it. Be honest. Say, Ive got a reputation, a name for being alive, but God is showing me I am spiritually dead. I dont have life.

Let me tell you that if you are dead, as it was said of this church in Sardis, all the human effort and the manmade programs in the world cannot change that. You cannot change that. Why? Because dead people cant do anything. They have to be born again by the Spirit of God. He is our only hope. Our only hope is Christ, Christ who raises the dead, the resurrection and the life. His Spirit can give you life.

So I want to plead with you: If God is convicting your heart, if Hes speaking to you about your lost condition or your dead or comatose spiritual condition, turn to Christ. Cry out to Him. Cry out to Him to grant you the gift of repentance and the gift of the Holy Spirit. Cry out to Him to give you life.

If God is speaking to your heart in that way and youre realizing your lost spiritual condition, or that you are spiritually comatose, on the verge of dying out spiritually; I want to encourage you to write us. Let us know how God is speaking to you. We want to pray for you. We have a team of prayer partners who will do that. You can write us. You can send us an email. Go to our website, ReviveOurHearts.com, and well tell you how to do that. Let us know so we can pray for you and believe God to give you the Spirit of life.

Leslie: And that web address is ReviveOurHearts.com.

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The God of the Bible is bigger than that, much bigger.My friend, Nancy Leigh, explains this so beautifully in her precious new book, Choosing Gratitude. And it needs explaining. I mean, its hard to hold on to gratitude. Its hard to find joy when youre looking into the jaws of mind-bending pain or heart-wrenching disappointment. But you have quite a guide in Nancy because shes ever so careful not to separate God from the suffering He allows in your life.

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All Scripture is taken from the English Standard Version.

1http://www.ucl.ac.uk/Bentham-Project/info/jb.htm ; Ray Ortlund, Jr When God Comes to Church (p. 101) ; See R. Kent Hughes, Ephesians: The Mystery of the Body of Christ (Wheaton: Crossway, 1990) 66; The Dictionary of National Biography, Vol 2 (Oxford University Press 1960) 276.

2Beale, G.K., The Book of Revelation: A Commentary on the Greek Text (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1999) 273.

3Seiss, The Apocalypse: Lectures on the Book of Revelation , 73.

4Donald Grey Barnhouse, Revelation (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House, 1971), 66-67.

5Study Finds Evangelistic Effectiveness of Southern Baptists Stagnant Since 50's; Agape Press (6/9/05).

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"I thank the Lord for your biblical teaching. You are definitely on target and we need to pray for them and for the universal church to pursue the holy and blameless life. I appreciate and value your teachings and pray for you and ROH daily. Stand firm for the Truth once delivered to the saints. May the Lord continue to bless you richly as you submit to His will. Soli Dei Gloria (To God Alone Be The Glory)"

Gloria (on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 7:29 AM)

"Thank you, Nancy and ROH.
I have learned that I don't want to be a "dead" person--"present, but not voting."
The LORD sees my heart! This is a sobering truth to keep me steadfast and truthful in every way. Thank you again."

Esther-elaine (on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM)

"How can anyone hear these warnings and think they are for "someone else"? These are very sobering for the Christian! How much more for her leadership? Great job being used of God, Nancy. The visuals in this video are very revealing."

Jeffrey (on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 10:56 AM)

"Wow! I turned on the radio in my car and you really spoke to my heart. We moved a year ago and had to change churches. I loved my old church. It was impressive and had a great reputation in the community, but Nancy it also was alive on the inside. I think it is a unique church and I miss it. The church we attend now is old and worn on the outside and dead on the inside to newcomers. The Pastor says he has a heart for outreach and is always encouraging the members to smile, but he has never been friendly to me. We are only members here because it is the only church in town within our denomination and we want our son confirmed. Will you pray that the Holy Spirit stirs in me and takes away the spiritual deadness that I'm beginning to feel?"

Julia (on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 12:36 PM)

"Yes, I'm very convicted by this transcript today. It's not because I'm dead and don't know it. It's because I've been seeking the Lord and crying out to Him to give me His life and I can't seem to "pray through".
This past Sunday one of the older women in my church and I were praying at the altar and she told me that she could tell that I had walls in my heart that hindered me from receiving from the Lord. We prayed together that the Lord would help me bring those walls down that I have built over the years. I told her that I didn't know what to do...I have been crying out to the Lord and He has helped me but I can sense that there's more that He longs to do but I can't seem to open my heart to get it. I have been praying that God would break up my heart and help me to receive from Him the things that I need. I know that I desperately need Him and my life has no meaning without Him.
I don't understand whats going on. I just ask that you pray for me. I don't want to be dead. I want to be alive and thriving for Jesus."

Jodi (on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 12:38 PM)

"I had to pull over on the road and listen to the sermon that was speaking to my life. My pride of life and sinning in anger against my husband has put my christian family at risk of divorce. May god relent and hold back his hand of calamity. Please pray for me, my husband, and two children."

Lizette (on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 12:53 PM)

"Amen and amen! Your words both pierced my heart and filled me with encouragement at the same time. It's time for the church to wake up... all of us! Thank you so much for this message."

Phillip (on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 1:11 PM)

"While on my lunch hour today, I was frantically going though a list of psychiatrists trying to make an appointment. I;ve been battling anxiety and feel I'm at the end of my rope. NONE could see me before two weeks. Then I began to hear your message. I know God can heal me and revive my life and heart but I am so low right now. I don't know how to come alive and not be dead in spirit as I have been for quite some time. That's why I fee perhaps talking to a professioanl will help."

Jan (on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 3:45 PM)

"Thank you Nancy for your ministry and message today. I do have a question...you are not saying that someone can lose their salvation...right? You are talking about people who never really accepted Christ in the first place. When you mentioned Satan doesn't care how he gets you to hell whether it is from skid row or "playing church" I was a little confused. Some people I know have accepted Christ and then go back to their "comfort zone" instead of following Christ with all their heart. Are they at risk of going to hell?"

Barb (on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 3:51 PM)

"This message was so timely. Just yesterday I would have said my family was alive in the Spirit, a God-loving and God-honoring family. Today, however, I can't say that. In the last 24 hours God has turned our family upside down, something "I" had tried to prevent for years happened. God has brought me to my knees as my husband and I are in prayer and fasting today. Please pray fo us and our adult children and grandchildren...pray that God will do a work in our hearts, that we will allow Him to let the work on the cross be revived and alive in our hearts towards Him first, and then each other.

I thank God for this program and for Nancy's walk with the Spirit, giving her words of truth, encouragment and hope."

Julie (on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 4:15 PM)

"I have the same question as Barb above...I was a bit confused when she mentioned that Satan doesn't care how he gets you to hell whether it is from skid row or playing church. Is she saying you can lose your salvation? What if you are depressed? When you are you do feel dead on the inside...does that mean you have lost your salvation? Especially when you cry out and cry out to God to lift the darkness and you are in His Word and prayer? Thanks..."

D (on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 5:37 PM)

"Dear Julie,
I am praying for you too. I know what it's like to have your "world turned upside down." May the Lord bless you and your husband and family and get you through this. LIzette, I'm praying for you too; may the Lord spare you from calamity and help you and your family.
Love through Christ,"

Leslie.s (on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 9:24 PM)

"Wow, listening to the program this week and reading alot of the comments, it is amazing the war that is going on. Two of the comments are exactly where I am; realizing there is a breach but just can't seem to make a consisent connection. Lord help us all."

Melissa (on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 11:21 PM)

admin signature"Jodi...Indeed we have prayed for you. You are at a good place; I know it doesn't feel good, but it is good. God is calling you to Himself and you have realized your need for Him. This is not something of your own desire, but is of the Holy Spirit. You cannot want to be alive and thriving for Jesus more than He wants that for you. Coming to such a place is most often preceded by a time of brokenness and surrender. Here are a few suggestions: 1) thank the Lord for where you are and how He is going to use it; 2) ask the older woman in your church to walk with you and share with you places she sees God at work in your life; 3) read Nancy's trilogy ”Brokenness, Surrender, and Holiness." You can trust Him to continue His work as you yield your spirit to Him ”He who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Phil. 1:6)."

Sarah Krause (on Wednesday, November 4, 2009 at 9:04 AM)

admin signature"Jan, My heart goes out to you as you feel you are at the end of your rope. I trust the message helped you realize that you indeed always have Someone to hang on to--that is Jesus Christ. I would encourage you to go to your pastor and seek his wise counsel and prayers for you. Let him guide you to a godly older woman in your church who can pray for and with you and walk with you in these days. Consider contacting a biblical counselor through NANC.org. Two books we recommend are Calm My Anxious Heart by Linda Dillow and Will Medicine Stop the Pain?: Finding God's Healing for Depression, Anxiety, and Other Troubling Emotions by Elyse Fitzpatrick and Dr. Laura Hendrickson. Begin EACH day with the Word of God and entrust each day to Him. The Psalms are a great place to start !"

Sarah Krause (on Wednesday, November 4, 2009 at 9:24 AM)

admin signature"Barb…Certainly a person who has received Jesus Christ, been born into the family of God, and justified by faith, can never again be lost. As Bruce Ware says, ‘When God credits the righteousness of Christ to those who believe, those believers are seen by God as righteous. That is, God views them as being in right standing or in good favor before Him.’ (See Eph. 1:13 and 4:30). He goes on to say, ‘But here is something very important: the reason God sees them as righteous is not because their inner lives have been cleaned up and all of their sin removed. No, those who put their trust in Christ continue to have sinful inner lives--they continue to struggle with not always thinking the right things, saying the right words, or doing the right tings. ’

The question is…did those professing Christ and living in their own “comfort zone” truly trust in Christ? Again Bruce Ware says, 'If we say that we have trusted Christ, but we have no desire to obey Christ or please Christ or do the good works God wants us to do, then it may be that we have not truly trusted Christ. We are saved for good works, and those good works will begin to show more and more in the lives of Christ’s real followers.’ You and I cannot know their hearts; only God knows. But for us, we want to realize it is not our good works that save us (Eph. 2:8-10), but they do give evidence that we really belong to Him."

Sarah Krause (on Wednesday, November 4, 2009 at 9:52 AM)

"Sarah
Thank you so much for your response. I appreciate that fact that ROH staff reads our comments and takes time to answer our questions! Praise the Lord that He has put all of you in this ministry!"

Barb (on Wednesday, November 4, 2009 at 12:02 PM)

"To join the Church a person is born into it. As Jesus said "unless you convert and become as children you cannot inherit the kingdom of God. To become a member of the body of Christ one must be born again of the Spirit. Matthew 18:3, Jn 3:3,5,6,7. Anyone can "join" an organization, but you cannot join the body of Christ unless you are born into the family by the Spirit."

Jeanne (on Friday, November 6, 2009 at 8:21 PM)

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